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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2015.05.05 07:01:09 -
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From what I can tell from what's officially being said, FoxFour was out of line when he stated that this software was legal to use (as they have stated that the never sanction the use of software). I'm still trying to get clarification, but I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer. Even though this software has a dev on it's credits and a clear statement claiming it's legal to use, they'll still probably slap a ban on you if you are deemed "too efficient" whatever that is.
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2016.02.24 00:24:36 -
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Shame it's now seemingly confirmed as a bannable offence to use this. Was a great tool while it lasted.
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2016.02.24 08:26:55 -
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Mr Mac wrote:Source? Link? This dev blog.
Nat Silverguard wrote:here you are again spouting nonsense. the uproar is all about the devblog being vague/unclear. so unless CCP clears things up, this is just a silly assumption. But it's not really, is it. One thing they are clear about is that the ability to see inactive client windows is disallowed as show by them saying:
"For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows."
EVE-O preview specifically allows you to see inactive windows, that's what it does that makes it great. When they get to the final part they then state:
"Please be aware of the fact that we do a lot of data analysis which grants us insight into behavior patterns and allows us to detect anomalies. In a lot of cases we do not need to know what you do on the client side because looking at the behavior in our very detailed event logs on the server side allows us to see if you have/had an unfair advantage over anybody else including the game environment. We donGÇÖt know all the tools out there and what they do exactly - and frankly we donGÇÖt care. If you get banned, then this is because the results of what you did and how you potentially gained from it manifested in our server-side logs."
So taken together this states that they find the ability to look at the overviews of inactive windows to be an unfair advantage, and they can't see and indeed don't care what the client actually looks like, they work from the server logs. As eve-o preview gives the same ability and obviously grants an advantage (otherwise why would we use it?) then there's absolutely no way I can see that it wouldn't be a bannable offense to use it.
Gingar Bread wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RWWdIVzjVc
THAT's whats bannable.
L2READ and understand. How is that functionally different from having the saw windows tiled with the same infromation shows using eve-o preview, and more importantly how would CCP tell the difference without seeing your screen? In fact, take for example this EVE-O preview setup, how is that not going to give the same advantages? When in space you can clearly see the modules cycling and the cargo filling so you don't have to swap to each window to monitor the status of all 16 windows, you just click the preview when the given client needs attention.
Jaantrag wrote:first post : .. Quote:This program is legal under the EULA/ToS as CCP FoxFour states here: Be very very careful with thing like this, as CCP have in the past changed their rules without going back and updating those posts simply by overriding them with new decisions. Just because one dev has said in the past that it's OK doesn't mean that going forward that will remain the case, and it doesn't even mean CCP will notify you if that changes.
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2016.02.24 14:10:27 -
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Jaantrag wrote:if u can read past first lines then i did note if a ccp came along to confirm the status of eve-o or trashs it ... I did read past that, I simply cut the quote down. I understand what you are saying, I'm simply saying don't rely on one EVE dev posting like a year ago as proof that eve-o preview is exempt from the rules.
Jaantrag wrote:on a short story .. useing Win+tab gives u pretty much the same outcome as eve-o No it doesn't, since it pulls the focus off of the active client into the DWM. Eve-o preview allows you to be interacting with one eve client while looking at the inactive clients without having to switch to them. You can then respond to an inactive client the moment you see something happening. With wit+tab you need to press that to look at them, you can't just see the previews by default.
Jaantrag wrote:eve-o can be used by everyone so is it really an advantage ? It's an advantage against those who don't use it. The fact that it's free doesn't matter. You couldn't make a free bot and say "everyone can use it so it's fair".
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:05:31 -
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Does it not still store the xml in a random appdata folder sometimes? I know it used to have an issue where sometimes it would create a random apddata folder with a bunch of xml files and you had to change the location of the exe file itself to get it to use local xml files again, so failing other things, try copying the exe file and the xml files you've got for it to a new folder and running it from there. I think it's something that happens when you're using some of environment path variables in .NET, or possibly if you're not specifying a root path and just aiming for a file directly.
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:49:20 -
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Basil Vulpine wrote:User/Appdata/Local did indeed have an _ folder with subfolders that were all eve-o preview related. user.cfg was the only file in there. Nuking that hasn't restored XML file creation but did seem to help re-default things.
Renaming the executable redefaults things. Renaming the folder redefaults things.
Neither restores XML files going in to the same folder as the executable.
If it really has put them somewhere random then surely it needs to find them somehow? If I try and use windows search for recently modified XML files Cortana pops up wanting more permissions. It sounds like it may be time to go find a third party search/file indexing tool. You could try checking over your xml files to make sure they aren't missing anything. Copy paste each of them into a site like this one, which will validate the XML and make sure It's not badly formatted. It might be that it's failing to load them and giving up.
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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2016.02.26 16:57:00 -
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Good news.
CCP Grimmi wrote:Overlays which contain a full, unchanged, EVE Client instance in a view only mode, no matter how large or small they are scaled, like it is done by EVE-O Preview as of today, are fine with us. These overlays do not allow any direct interaction with the EVE Client and you have to bring the respective EVE Client to the front/put the window focus on it, in order to interact with it.
CCP Grimmi wrote:Having many clients visible at the same time is not something we intend to ban.
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